你跳“on1” 还是“on2”? (转)

1楼 2012-01-31 01:19 回复 查看 (800) 回复 (16) 1楼

你跳“on1” 还是“on2”?

“on1” 和“on2”你最喜欢哪个?为什麽?这个话题相信被世界各地的人们在酒吧里,在聚会中,在授课时,社团聚会中讨论。 人们会问为什麽这个话题会如此拨动人们的情绪?为什麽有这样多的酒吧标榜自己的舞蹈风格?为什麽又那麽多的舞蹈社团将自己划分到“on 1”或“on 2”的风格中?真的让人不能想象的是Salsa舞蹈中的时间停顿竟能让人们如此痴迷和疯狂。导致争论的原因其实很简单;就是对Salsa舞的“激情和痴迷"!!!跳Salsa的人对自己的所做所为充满激情,为了捍卫自己的信仰可以在任何一个地方舆人从早谈到晚。
 
      是不是有些舞蹈社团比其它的舞蹈社团更有激情? 其实根本不是这样, 任何一个人如果他经常听Salsa音乐,每个星期去Salsa酒吧跳几次舞, 既使从事一些与Salsa无关的事情但还随身携带Salsa日用品,他一定是个充满激情的顶级Salsa“发烧友”,任何一个人总是穿一双黑白相间的爵士鞋,出门时总是随身携带一个Salsa包(包里总是装着一条毛巾, 拉丁鞋和最喜欢的Salsa CD), 他一定是一个充满激情的顶级“发烧友”, 一个人买衣服和鞋的首要条件是能跳Salsa,那他也是一个充满激情的顶级“发烧友”, 一个人如果到任何异地公干或旅游,第一件事先是查询当地的Salsa酒吧和活动,他也是一个充满激情的顶级“发烧友”最后当一个人约会的首要条件是能跳Salsa和喜欢跳Salsa, 毫无疑问他是顶级Salsa“发烧友”。

      那是不是这两个舞蹈风格会有一个比另外一个好?答案是“错”。 作为一个on2的爱好者,我曾错误地认为某个风格比另外一个风格好。但是当我由Salsa舞发烧友变成Salsa舞表演者的时候, 我认识到两中风格都值得尊敬, 而且意识到没有一个比另外一个好的说法。 另一方面来讲, 舞蹈水平因人而异,现实中不管你跳得多好,你还是会碰到某个人比你跳得更好,让你感到自己还有很多地方需要学习和提高。 一个人不管它跳的有多好,他也许能转无数个圈, 会多少个花,闪舞多麽得出彩, 风格多麽的独特,但是如果他跳舞时不考虑音乐的停顿和节拍, 那麽他们也只是“昙花一现”。  

      谈过敏感话题后,现在让我们来讲一下现实。 学习Salsa时必须学会如何听音乐和数清音乐节奏已不是什麽秘密。 事实是很多跳Salsa的人如果能找到乐曲的第一节拍或第三节拍他就变成很好的Salsa舞者。 因为Salsa 的乐曲总是从第一拍循环演奏的, 找到乐曲中的第一拍已不是什麽秘密。但是当人们学习跳”on2”的时候, 老师总是要求学生能将乐曲的8个节拍全都数出来, 这样跳舞课就变成了音乐课。 我第一次上”on2”的课的时候,简直腻烦透了,对我来说太难了。其实我只想多学一些花样组合,便努力使我的老师相信我会尝试跳“on2”, 但是一出教室到了酒吧就只跳”on 1”. 对我来说数清拉丁音乐的每一个节拍太难了。 如果你跳“on1” 已是明星,学2的时候就变成了初学者,如果你是1的老师, 学2的时候就变成了学生。你从主角变成了配角,这也是那些跳“on 1” 的舞者,表演人和老师坚持跳“on 1”的主要原因, 种种原因所致许多的1舞者选择了呆在自己觉得最舒服的领域继续做明星,而不涉足新的技术领域。 

      虽然如此, 我还是承受了几乎是苛刻的节奏训练并逐渐地学会了如何去数Salsa, Hip-hop, R&B and Jazz的八个节拍。 我学习象音乐家一样地去数音乐节奏。 所以那个时候我非常地崇敬on2舞者,并开始加入抨击on 1的队伍。 既是那时我有许多崇拜的偶像是on1的舞者, 但是我认为他们不再比我强,原因是他们不会跳2. 我不得不承认,在我刚刚开始学习跳2的时候我的思想非常的不成熟。主要的原因是开始跳2的时候实在是太难了。 我觉得自己是乐队的一部分,我的舞蹈就是乐队的另一个乐器, 我能感到所有乐器终击在3、4和7上的节奏, 跳2当然比跳1好, 所有的顶尖Salsa舞者都跳2, 这是不争的事实,每个人都知道。 那时我坚守on2阵地, 再也不对顶级的on1舞者表示敬仰。 但最后我还是发现那些顶级的on1舞者也是用8个节拍来跳舞, 他们的舞蹈并不是我所人为地那样只是踩在1上跳舞,他们在旋转和组合花步的时候同样完美地表现节奏和旋律。他们在跳闪舞和展示舞蹈技巧时节奏和乐曲让他们使用的炉火纯青。 也许2并不见得比1好多少, 也许随节奏和乐曲舞蹈是我的至爱。 那麽我能用8个节奏来跳舞同时也享受跳1的乐趣吗?我的研究告诉我跳1的时候对节奏和乐曲的理解和跳2的时候对音乐节奏和乐曲的理解释完全不一样的,而且1和2的舞蹈和节奏感觉有明显的区别。

      以我在Salsa圈里有限的时间, 我能够将我的所知与大家分享是我的荣幸。 On 2 和on1 没有谁比谁更好,但是跳舞时踩准节拍总是比踩不准点儿好。 是的,如果有选择, 我还是喜欢跳2。但是我要永远学习如何感受音乐并从乐曲中享受乐趣。
      这篇文章能解决on1和on2 的争论吗?我觉得不可能。 就像人性充满矛盾, 在Salsa世界这个争论还会持续下去,我们互相尊重彼此的风格,一起享受Salsa带来的乐趣。

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2楼 2012-01-31 01:20 回复 2楼

原文:On1 or On2, which do you prefer and why?

This is perhaps the most controversial topic discussed around world of Salsa at many studios, clubs, chat groups, events, and so forth. Many people may wonder why this topic seems to draw so much emotion out of a community of fun, loving, nurturing, and kind individuals. Why so many club corners are marked by these various styles? Why so many groups or clicks are created distinguishing the two? It's unthinkable to accept something as simple as what beat you break on being responsible for so much salsa drama. The reason, culprit, or explanation is simple.. Passion! Salsa dancers are very passionate about what they do and will defend it into the wee hours of the morning at the local 24-hour Mexican restaurant, Waffle House or IHOP.
Is one group more passionate about Salsa than the other? Not at all, anyone who listens to Salsa music constantly, dances at Salsa clubs several times a week, and wears salsa paraphernalia while doing non-salsa activities is definitely "Passionate." Anyone who wears white split toe jazz shoes in public (often mistaken for socks), never leaves home without their beloved salsa bag (equipped with a towel, shoes, and favorite Salsa CD) is definitely "Passionate." Anyone who won't buy shoes of clothes unless they are Salsa-proof is definitely "Passionate." Anyone who won't visit another city without checking the local website for a listing of salsa events is definitely "Passionate." Finally, anyone who considers an individual's "capability of learning and loving salsa," a dating criteria, is unmistakably "Passionate."

Is one style better than the other? No. As a "preferred" On2 dancer, I have made the mistake of calling one style better than the other many times. However, as I have grown as a Salsa dancer, I have learned to respect both styles, realizing that no one style is "better" than the other. On the other hand, individuals do dance at different levels; this is just a reality. No matter how good you are, there is someone out there that will dance you under the table and sending you back to the salsa lab. Nevertheless, no matter how good a dancer may execute turn patterns, tricks, shines, styling, or spinning, this fact remains; if they are unconcerned with timing they are selling themselves short of a more optimal salsa experience.

Now that the politics are covered, let's get real. It is not a secret that an individual learning how to dance Salsa, can get away without learning timing. In fact, many dancers can develop into pretty good dancers by just finding the first or third beat of a salsa song. Since music loops on the first beat, finding "One" is not a mystery (for some). On the other hand, when learning how to dance On2, many instructors force students to find all eight counts of the music, turning a salsa class into a music class. The first time I took an On2 class, I hated it. It was too difficult. I just wanted to learn the turn pattern, convince my instructor that I was going to try it On2 and run out to the local salsa club and do it On1. For me, finding all eight counts of a song was nerve-wrecking. This is the reason many salsa dancers, performers, and teachers stand clear of timing. It is a humbling experience! If you are a local star, get ready to feel like a beginner. If you are a teacher, get ready to be a student. If you are a diva, get ready to be unnoticed. For these miscellaneous reasons, many dancers stay in the comfort zone of being local salsa star, never to step foot in the land of knowledge again.

Nonetheless, I went through the harsh training of timing and eventually learned the 8 counts in Salsa, Hip-Hop, R&B, and Jazz. I learned how to count music the way musicians counted it. As a result, I developed more respect for On2 dancing and joined the On1-bashing bandwagon. Although most of my local idols were established On1 dancers, they were not as good to me anymore because they didn't dance On2. I admit it; I had a very immature mindset about dancing On2 in the beginning. Maybe because dancing On2 was a different experience for me. I felt like I was apart of the band now. My dancing was now an additional instrument. I could feel all those instruments hitting on 3, 4, and 7. So was On2 better? At the time, yes! On2 was definitely better and all the best dancers danced On2, so that had to make it official, or did it ?. At that time, I had been living in On2 land for sometime, completely unexposed to the great On1 dancers. However, my eventual exposure to great On1 dancers revealed something; they were also using all eight counts of the music. Their style of dancing didn't look like the abusive On1 style I had grown so accustomed to cringing at. These dancers executed tricks and turn patterns without injury and complete awareness of timing. They styled and shined with the best of them. Maybe it was not On2 that was better after all, maybe dancing to the music was what I fell in love with. But could I dance to all 8 counts of the music and still enjoy dancing On1? My research revealed that dancing On1 felt completely different when my awareness of timing came into play. In addition, it still felt different enough to distinguish an On1 dance from an On2 dance.

During my short time in the fabulous world of Salsa, I have grown to realize something. Dancing Salsa On2 is not necessary better than dancing on On1 or vice-versa, but dancing On-time is always better than dancing Off-time. Yes I still prefer to dance On2, if the option (honestly) presents itself. However, I have learned to feel the music regardless of what beat I break on.

So will this article solve the continuous On1 and On2 disagreement? Not even a little bit. Unfortunately, it's just human nature to have conflict, however, we owe it to the Salsa community to continue maintain respect for each other, while enjoying the Salsa Culture.


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3楼 2012-01-31 01:35 回复 3楼

偶尔发现的老文,我也不知道这算不算解释On2 Feel, 不过舞蹈是跳出来的,所以言传怎么也不可能到位

对音乐最大的体会还是在我们的shines课上,目前partnerwork里还没有那么强烈的感觉。

在我们最爱之一:、Salsa Shines 课上,按Grace老师的跳法,已经不是on time/beat,而是on Rythm (跳旋律)了,变化多端,每次编好然后倒数拍子对她对我们都很痛苦,这都不是8拍了,有些地方1/4拍都出来,这还要身体能跟上去,但是一但跳到位那简直就是享受,我现在都还记得几首Shines 的编排:踩香烟,sunny ray, 某无名 (赶鸡舞)

any way, on rythm最好玩,那时候跳舞就是享受

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4楼 2012-01-31 01:40 回复 4楼

CapeBird CapeBird Robin Koh

谢谢!这是一篇好文章! There's should only the love for dancing (be it Salsa On2, On1, Cuban, ChaCha, Jazz, Hip-Hop, Tango). One should always learn to appreciate other dance form but has the right to reserve our own preference for a particular style.

对我来说,虽然我也能跳ON1,但我始终对ON 2有偏爱,因为我能体会到更多音乐里的乐趣和学习加强对音乐的表达! 

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5楼 2012-01-31 01:50 回复 5楼

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这个我还不能理解,或者还是不能体会:

我的研究告诉我跳1的时候对节奏和乐曲的理解和跳2的时候对音乐节奏和乐曲的理解释完全不一样的,而且1和2的舞蹈和节奏感觉有明显的区别。
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单纯在没音乐的情况下走基本步,我已经觉得这个脚步是在配合一定的音乐处理,或者说音乐已经要求了这个脚步

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6楼 2012-01-31 01:55 回复 6楼

CapeBird CapeBird Robin Koh

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顶!但我觉得不只是 On rythm, Grace在教我们的是舞蹈的 feel 和 “灵魂”。和她一起训练我可以体会到一点点,但是我需要加强自己身体能力才能真正表达。

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7楼 2012-01-31 14:01 回复 7楼

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难怪我的shines 这节课越来越多人喜欢,每次上课大家都那么兴奋,反应出奇的好 ,原来你们私下还给这些舞蹈起了这样的怪名字!哈h哈哈哈哈哈

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8楼 2012-01-31 14:52 回复 8楼

salsapicante salsapicante 兰博老师

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私下认为本文是每个Salsa人都要看一看的好文章。

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10楼 2012-01-31 22:40 回复 10楼

好文,有待学习。

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11楼 2012-07-05 17:20 回复 11楼

中英文对照的好文章 是摘录的还是自己的体会?不管哪种都谢过了!

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12楼 2012-07-07 00:04 回复 12楼

slink_ling slink_ling 凌斯考特

还是都会比较好...

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13楼 2012-07-09 01:33 回复 13楼

CapeBird CapeBird Robin Koh

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Of course, 但是每个人还是有权选择自己比较喜欢的风格......

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14楼 2012-07-09 12:54 回复 14楼

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同意 , 选择适合自己的最重要,跟着音乐舞蹈才是最重要的,音乐是mambo ,跳on 1 ,当然可以, 不过总是觉的不那么好的表现呀

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15楼 2012-07-11 02:07 回复 15楼

转化中!等待开窍的那个时候!

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16楼 2012-07-11 02:07 回复 16楼

转化中!等待开窍的那个时候!

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17楼 2012-07-23 10:44 回复 17楼

哦,怪不得我在舞会上感觉到很多音乐跳得不舒服,或者根本跳不起来.

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18楼 2012-07-23 11:28 回复 18楼

David_TW David_TW 洪小D

On2, period

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